Hi Kevin: Thanks for the update. I've been embedding Jython in my 
TestMaker open-source project for the past year with great success. 
(Details at http://www.pushtotest.com.) TestMaker is built on NetBeans. 
NB provides the GUI elements, file navigator and a good script editor. 
In addition to writing test agents in Jython the scripting language can 
access all of NB's objects. So a by-product is that NB gets its own 
script/macro language. Eclipse would benefit in the same way. Plus, in 
my opinion Eclipse is becoming bloated with so many disparate plug-ins 
that it needs a script language to show some synergy between the 
plug-ins.

Here's what I think would be involved with adding Jython to Eclipse:
1) Embed the Jython interperter (very easy)
2) Write a simple support object in Java that provides a gateway to the 
Eclipse APIs.
3) Write Jython syntax highlighting and code lookup (not easy in 
Eclipse)
4) Write 5-10 sample Jython scripts that demonstrate the Eclipse 
environment and how to call Eclipse APIs.
5) Write an article for IBM developerWorks explaining the project, 
benefits and tutorial.
6) Write a book: Jython on Eclipse for SAMS (well maybe I'm getting 
carried away. hehe)

None of this is particularly difficult, but it does take a lot of time. 
I'm overcommitted to PushToTest.com projects, but I would like to help. 
If someone else wants to take on the code writing I would be available 
to write the supporting articles and docs.

-Frank



On Wednesday, May 7, 2003, at 03:55 PM, Kevin Altis wrote:

> > From: Updike, Clark
> >
> > Would you mind updating the jython-user list with a post regarding the
> > status of your efforts to-date to start up a jython plug-in for
> > eclipse with
> > the eclipse folks?  It seems like there is a lot of interest at
> > the moment.
> >
> > TIA,
> > Clark
> 
>  Last week quite a few Jython users sent me replies (some privately and 
>  some
>  to the list) expressing interest in Jython/Python/Eclipse integration.
>  [Rather than repeatedly saying Jython/Python below I'll just say 
>  Jython, but
>  many of the issues are also applicable to C Python.] Those ideas need 
>  to be
>  discussed on the mailing list and captured on one or more web pages. To
>  start the process, I went ahead and created a wiki page on python.org 
>  as a
>  placeholder. Please add to the page.
> 
>    http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/EclipsePythonIntegration
> 
>  I talked to Paul Buck, Director of Eclipse Development at IBM last 
>  Friday.
>  The call went extremely well. Paul said that he thought full Jython 
>  support
>  was a good idea, but he could not commit his team or other IBM 
>  employees at
>  this time to do the work. OTOH, he was willing to create a Jython 
>  Eclipse
>  sub-project and have his team provide technical support and 
>  information to
>  whoever heads up the project. The C/C++ Development Tools sub-project 
>  might
>  be a good example to follow.
> 
>    http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/
> 
>  The overall tone of the conversation was one of eagerness to help 
>  facilitate
>  making it happen, but at this early stage he couldn't commit any of 
>  his team
>  members to writing code for it. He was also interested in embedding 
>  Jython,
>  though he was not that familiar with Jython.
> 
>  The issue was raised about how much interest there was for this 
>  project both
>  for Jython users and existing Eclipse users. I said that there was a 
>  high
>  interest level on the Jython side of the fence but that many 
>  Java/Eclipse
>  users might not be familiar with Jython or Python or understand the 
>  value of
>  Jython support in Eclipse, so we probably need to get at least a rough 
>  first
>  pass done for the benefits to be more obvious. At that time, IBM might 
>  want
>  to commit some of its own resources to furthering the project.
> 
>  Paul asked if I would be interested in taking the technical lead to 
>  make it
>  happen. I declined because I don't have the right skill set, but I 
>  said I
>  would try and find one or more people to get the project started. Any
>  volunteers? I emailed Paul links for more info on Jython as well as 
>  the two
>  projects I could find that are relevant. We need to know the current 
>  state
>  of the two projects below as well as any other Eclipse/Jython projects 
>  I
>  might have missed.
> 
>  PyEclipse is a Python plugin for the Eclipse platform
>    http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyeclipse/
> 
>  Python Editor for Eclipse (Pe4elcipse) is an Eclipse platform plugin 
>  for
>  editing and debugging Python applications.
>    http://sourceforge.net/projects/pe4eclipse
> 
>  After my phone call with Paul, I talked to Jim Hugunin at Xerox PARC. 
>  Jim
>  also said that he thought Jython integration and full Jython support 
>  inside
>  Eclipse was a great idea, but he stressed the need for a lead 
>  developer to
>  make it happen and said that due to other research commitments, he was
>  unable to participate.
> 
>  Samuele Pedroni sent me a detailed list of issues and ideas offlist. 
>  I'll
>  let him repost those to the list and wiki rather than taking his 
>  points out
>  of context.
> 
>  I don't think I could have hoped for a better first conversation with 
>  Paul.
>  If we want this to happen, the ball is in our court and one or more
>  volunteers can take it to the next level.
> 
>  ka
> 
> > ref:
> > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=2044937&for
> > um_id=5586
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Altis [mailto:altis@[...].com]
> > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 3:14 PM
> > To: jython-users@[...].net
> > Subject: [Jython-users] Eclipse and Jython/Python
> >
> >
> > I would like to hear from anyone ASAP that is using Eclipse or
> > would like to
> > use Eclipse with Python/Jython.
> >
> >   http://www.eclipse.org/
> >
> > I think it would be great to get full syntactic support for 
> > Jython/Python
> > and have Jython embedded into Eclipse. Since Jim Hugunin is
> > listed as one of
> > the Eclipse sub-project leads I figure at least some people involved 
> > with
> > Eclipse might be sympathetic to this idea, but I have not been
> > able to reach
> > Jim yet, so I don't know what he thinks.
> >
> >   http://www.eclipse.org/technology/team-leaders.html
> >
> > I have arranged a brief phone call with Paul Buck, Director of Eclipse
> > Development at IBM on Friday, May 2nd to discuss the idea.
> >
> >   http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2003/view/e_spkr/1529
> >
> > I would appreciate feedback before Thursday, May 1st if you would 
> > like to
> > see this happen. In particular, I need a specific list of benefits to 
> > Java
> > and Jython/Python programmers if they had full Jython/Python
> > syntax support
> > and the ability to use Jython from with Eclipse. I have some
> > general benefit
> > points, but I don't program in Java day-to-day so people on this
> > list should
> > be able to give me better specifics.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > ka
> > ---
> > Kevin Altis
> > altis@[...].com
> > http://altis.pycs.net/
> > http://www.pythoncard.org/
> 
> 
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