John

You're behaving as if a vote has already decided what the outcome of TIP
157 is. We only had an informal poll in which TCT members seemed to favor
the awful {expand} syntax (awful IMHO of course). If there had already
been a vote and the issue was closed, I agree that George's questions
would be inappropriate. However, we're in the discussion period, and a
poll is not a vote.

There's still time for the proponents of the {expand} syntax to come to
their senses and see that this would be a mistake.

Also I want to raise the issue that the TCT is capable of making mistakes,
so it should be legitimate to discuss issues even after they're voted on,
if new evidence justifies such a discussion.

--JYL

>  In response to Michael's message:
> 
> > Geez, John.  Caffeine making you edgy?
> 
>  No, just endless TCT discussions repeating themselves over and over
>  again.  Sheesh!
> 
> > I don't think George deserved such an admonishment.  If I understand
> > his email, he's simply saying that this will be a huge, incompatible
> > change to the language.  That code written for {expand} will no
> > longer work in older versions of Tcl.  That we have a huge base of Tcl
> > developers working with older versions of the code.  And given all
> > that, do we really want to make this change?  It's a legitimate
> > question.
> 
>  I believe the appropriate legal response is "asked and answered".  All
>  of these questions have already been raised before, answered before, and
>  raised and answered again and again.  Where has George been?
> 
>  To reiterate something that Kevin complained about not too long ago, TCT
>  members need to be responsible enough to read the discussions as they
>  are evolving, rather than waiting until the very end and then asking the
>  world to stop and recapitulate the whole discussion for their benefit.
>  I appreciate that TCT members are busy, but if someone is too busy to
>  pay attention they should just step back and let things happen without
>  them.  It's not reasonable to expect the TCT to move slowly because an
>  individual member happens to be busy.  One of the nice things about a
>  large TCT is that we don't need input from every person on every issue.
> 
>  Or, if I can be even more blunt, TCT members whose primary contribution
>  is criticism should try to stay out of the way of those who are
>  actually making positive contributions to improve Tcl and Tk.
> 
>  -John-
> 
> 
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