On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:18:28 +0300, David McNab <david@[...].nz>   
wrote:

>  Peter Damoc wrote:
> > Hello list,
> >
> > I've been looking around at python GUI toolkits just for fun and I came
> > across AnyGUI.
> > It is very impressive but I think it solves the wrong problem. Let me
> > explain myself:
>  8><
> 
>  Agreed - AnyGui by its nature is vulnerable to countless environmental
>  quirks. If it had a large, organised and devoted development and
>  maintenance team, it would probably cope well. But it would take a lot
>  of resources to prevent the endless "it's not working on <linux distro  
>  x>"

this is why I think is better to just reimplement the low level. Wrapping  
the toolkits might be too much, especialy for a small team

> > As a programmer I would like to have is an OSS python GUI toolkit that
> > looks great everywhere and acts the same on all platforms without
> > custom  hack in the app code.
> 
>  PyQT is worth a look. However, that carries the cost of Qt's weird
>  windows licensing quirks.

PyQT follows QT and... some people might not want to invest in something  
that will allow the to create *only* GPL OpenSource. Where I live 6000$ is  
about the sallary for 2 years for some people. Not an option.

> > There is currently no such thing
> 
>  True, but (IMHO) the PMW/Tkinter combination comes very close
>  (http://pmw.sourceforge.net).

anything Tkinter makes me thing at ugly GUIs.... sure that might be a  
whimsical thing but.... a lot of beginners look at this.

> > and my little mind cannot understand why.
> > Ok... so its a lot of work to create such a thing
> 
>  Creating such a thing is relatively straightforward. Making it practical
>  - easily learned, easy to setup and use, and respectful of resources
>  takes about 5-50 times that amount of work again.

build it and they will come. Once done the proof of concept... maybe  
someone will come and optimize the low-end stuff just to demonstrate that  
it can.

>  There's a lot of good gui libs, but they're hard to understand unless
>  you're willing to study the implementation's source code, or even live
>  with the developer and suck the pizza stains off his/her T-shirt.

Not true, I have a fair experience with wxPython and is not that hard BUT  
it does not allow skinning, and it feels heavy, packaged exe are rather  
big... and most importantly...  a lot of low level bugs surface from the  
C++ part.

>  Please do have a serious try of Tkinter, with the PMW classes over the
>  top. I've been there, from scared gui neophyte to someone that can build
>  smart, platform-independent guis - all the pain and labour you put into
>  learning Tkinter, you will recoup in joy and satisfaction as your apps
>  Simply Just Work. Tkinter-based progs also package well into windows
>  standalone EXE packages (eg Py2EXE), so you can spare your users the
>  confusion of installing/setting up their own Python environment.
> 
>  Cheers
>  David

Thanks for your reply, will take a look at PMW.

Peter.


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