>  From: Updike, Clark
> 
>  Would you mind updating the jython-user list with a post regarding the
>  status of your efforts to-date to start up a jython plug-in for
>  eclipse with
>  the eclipse folks?  It seems like there is a lot of interest at
>  the moment.
> 
>  TIA,
>  Clark

Last week quite a few Jython users sent me replies (some privately and some
to the list) expressing interest in Jython/Python/Eclipse integration.
[Rather than repeatedly saying Jython/Python below I'll just say Jython, but
many of the issues are also applicable to C Python.] Those ideas need to be
discussed on the mailing list and captured on one or more web pages. To
start the process, I went ahead and created a wiki page on python.org as a
placeholder. Please add to the page.

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/EclipsePythonIntegration

I talked to Paul Buck, Director of Eclipse Development at IBM last Friday.
The call went extremely well. Paul said that he thought full Jython support
was a good idea, but he could not commit his team or other IBM employees at
this time to do the work. OTOH, he was willing to create a Jython Eclipse
sub-project and have his team provide technical support and information to
whoever heads up the project. The C/C++ Development Tools sub-project might
be a good example to follow.

  http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/

The overall tone of the conversation was one of eagerness to help facilitate
making it happen, but at this early stage he couldn't commit any of his team
members to writing code for it. He was also interested in embedding Jython,
though he was not that familiar with Jython.

The issue was raised about how much interest there was for this project both
for Jython users and existing Eclipse users. I said that there was a high
interest level on the Jython side of the fence but that many Java/Eclipse
users might not be familiar with Jython or Python or understand the value of
Jython support in Eclipse, so we probably need to get at least a rough first
pass done for the benefits to be more obvious. At that time, IBM might want
to commit some of its own resources to furthering the project.

Paul asked if I would be interested in taking the technical lead to make it
happen. I declined because I don't have the right skill set, but I said I
would try and find one or more people to get the project started. Any
volunteers? I emailed Paul links for more info on Jython as well as the two
projects I could find that are relevant. We need to know the current state
of the two projects below as well as any other Eclipse/Jython projects I
might have missed.

PyEclipse is a Python plugin for the Eclipse platform
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyeclipse/

Python Editor for Eclipse (Pe4elcipse) is an Eclipse platform plugin for
editing and debugging Python applications.
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/pe4eclipse

After my phone call with Paul, I talked to Jim Hugunin at Xerox PARC. Jim
also said that he thought Jython integration and full Jython support inside
Eclipse was a great idea, but he stressed the need for a lead developer to
make it happen and said that due to other research commitments, he was
unable to participate.

Samuele Pedroni sent me a detailed list of issues and ideas offlist. I'll
let him repost those to the list and wiki rather than taking his points out
of context.

I don't think I could have hoped for a better first conversation with Paul.
If we want this to happen, the ball is in our court and one or more
volunteers can take it to the next level.

ka

>  ref:
>  http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=2044937&for
>  um_id=5586
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Kevin Altis [mailto:altis@[...].com]
>  Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 3:14 PM
>  To: jython-users@[...].net
>  Subject: [Jython-users] Eclipse and Jython/Python
> 
> 
>  I would like to hear from anyone ASAP that is using Eclipse or
>  would like to
>  use Eclipse with Python/Jython.
> 
>    http://www.eclipse.org/
> 
>  I think it would be great to get full syntactic support for Jython/Python
>  and have Jython embedded into Eclipse. Since Jim Hugunin is
>  listed as one of
>  the Eclipse sub-project leads I figure at least some people involved with
>  Eclipse might be sympathetic to this idea, but I have not been
>  able to reach
>  Jim yet, so I don't know what he thinks.
> 
>    http://www.eclipse.org/technology/team-leaders.html
> 
>  I have arranged a brief phone call with Paul Buck, Director of Eclipse
>  Development at IBM on Friday, May 2nd to discuss the idea.
> 
>    http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2003/view/e_spkr/1529
> 
>  I would appreciate feedback before Thursday, May 1st if you would like to
>  see this happen. In particular, I need a specific list of benefits to Java
>  and Jython/Python programmers if they had full Jython/Python
>  syntax support
>  and the ability to use Jython from with Eclipse. I have some
>  general benefit
>  points, but I don't program in Java day-to-day so people on this
>  list should
>  be able to give me better specifics.
> 
>  Thanks,
> 
>  ka
>  ---
>  Kevin Altis
>  altis@[...].com
>  http://altis.pycs.net/
>  http://www.pythoncard.org/



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