Let's keep the discussion on topic and constructive.
Solving the various societal and educational problems
are best done elsewhere.
Let's also not turn this into an Apple (or anyone else)
bashing session.  If you have issues you want to raise about
Apple's open source efforts, you won't get anywhere with
it here.  Please contact your nearest Apple open source 
representative.

OD is closing, some people are sad, some people are happy, and
others just want someone to blame.  All of which is offtopic.
This isn't a support group.

Unless there is discussion directly pertaining to OpenDarwin,
its contents, or its projects, please keep it on your blog and
off this list.

Thanks,
Rob

On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 09:00:16PM +0000, Vesko Peev wrote:
>  Markus Hitter wrote:
>  
>  >I'm only stunning about how many people find Apple's "open source"  
>  >tactics to be just fine. See comments to my posting on Apple's Darwin  
>  >Development list.
>  >
>  >"OpenDarwin gets closed?" - "Great to see those whiners going."
>  >
>  >"Half of the packages aren't buildable?" - "That's normal."
>  >
>  >"Apple fails to match the expectations one gets by reading it's  
>  >announcements?" - "We don't want to talk about black helicopters  buzzing 
>  >around."
>  >
>  >"You can't build a kernel?" - "What are you talking about, Amit Sighn  
>  >disproved this in his book empirically." (Whatever empirics he meant  in 
>  >this private eMail)
>  >
>  >"Apple only does what the GPL forces them to do?" - "The GPL is  really 
>  >outdated."
>  
>  You've got funnily stupid and tragic answers above. I am not stunned at 
>  all. Here's why. The above talks of empirical proof. Here's my own 
>  empirical proof: How many of you have noticed that in our so-called 
>  society, a tremendous amount of injustices are tolerated and encouraged? 
>  I'd like to empasise that my personal experience shows time and again that 
>  the vast majority of those who have technical knowledge are not doing 
>  perceptibly better than the average person, if at all, in that regard. 
>  Many of those delude themselves consciously or subconsciously that just 
>  because they have knowledge in things discovered and invented less than 
>  100 years ago, they are automatically superior to other people. From this 
>  and other ego-related issues come the  "clever" comments and reactions.
>  
>  Apple, you are obviously composed of the aforementioned class of people, 
>  but don't worry too much, you are not an exception -- the vast majority 
>  of, even more than that, other companies, and not only software ones, are 
>  the same but they have different tricks to cheat people with a clean and 
>  idealistic vision and who not only have that vision but are capable and 
>  ready to do real work, like quite a few people behind the late OpenDarwin 
>  project. You are mainstream, Apple, you certainly have much more than 4-5% 
>  market share in that regard! And your fabled originality is just a very 
>  thin veneer. "Think different"? No, it's "Think dasame!"
>  
>  P.S. Something else I really need to get off my chest at this moment: 
>  Education in schools and universities needs to be overhauled and improved 
>  a tremendous deal to cover a lot more psychological, social and 
>  interpersonal issues -- by far the biggest problems today are in that, and 
>  are not technical and, generalising, physical ones, although technology 
>  and materially-related science could and should be used to aid the 
>  former's resolution. If our society fails to do that, in a couple of 
>  decades the rotten apples and the closed Darwins of the near future will 
>  make us much more unhappier than we are today.
>  
>  
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