Thanks, Markus - 
 
I need details of the upgrade process from OpenDarwin 7.2.1 to the most recent version of Ap
ple's x86 Darwin. Any specific tips, or links to documentation, would be most helpful, as fo
llow-up to your suggestions:  
 
>  - Get Darwin 8.0.1 running in qemu. 
 
That sounds like a good idea. What steps would I follow to accomplish that, having just gott
en OpenDarwin 7.2.1 installed and running? 
 
>  - Ask a friend with Mac OS X to compile a few critical parts. 
 
I do have Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger running on an old G3 iMac. Once I install XCode, what would yo
u suggest that I compile? 
 
>  - Buy an older Mac, like an Rev. C iMac. Unsupported because of lacking Firewire 
 
My iMac does have firewire, and I plan to keep it running Tiger. Would you please explain ho
w I can use this to help accomplish the goal of running the latest Darwin on x86? 
 
>  - Use Linux or some BSD to set up a cross compilation environment. Gcc really shines here.
 
 
Yes, I do have several Linux distros running on a few PCs. But OpenDarwin 7.2.1 already come
s with gcc installed. So exactly how would I leverage Linux to help upgrade Darwin? 
 
>  Nevertheless, one brave soul runs GNU Darwin and it looks like a few  others joined... 
 
GNU Darwin is based on an even older version of OpenDarwin (6.x), and they reject upgrading 
to more recent versions of Darwin, until Apple provides a completely Free Open Source Softwa
re solution. 
 
I'm more open-minded, and willing to use any legitimate means to get the latest Darwin runni
ng on a PC. 
 
On the other hand, I'd like to run an X11 server with a  window manager like KDE, GNOME, Xfc
e, or even TWM, rather than a pirated copy of OS X. 
 
There are enough FOSS apps available to make x86 Darwin a viable solution. My own focus, as 
a computer support provider, is to promote the use of free, open source software. 
 
Thanks again for your help. I'd greatly appreciate more detail, as noted above. 
 
Regards, 
 
jayseye 
http://www.PrecisionTEQ.com/ 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Markus Hitter <mah@[...].de> 
To: bcsi <bcsi@[...].com> 
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:17:18 +0100
Subject: Re: Upgrade paths and continued support


Am 19.11.2006 um 22:36 schrieb bcsi:

>  Any mention of OpenDarwin there [at MacPorts] is considered off-topic.

Really? What kind of snobism would that be?

>  I'm still interested in running Darwin on an x86 PC, independent of  
>  OS X, using Free Open Source applications under X11.

There are still a few legitimate and cheap options, even without  
resorting to hacked Mac OS X versions:

- Get Darwin 8.0.1 running in qemu. On my new hardware not yet  
supported by most OSS distributions, I've got a few OS's up and  
running at almost native speed.

- Ask a friend with Mac OS X to compile a few critical parts. The  
tools coming with Xcode 2.x should compile x86 stuff just fine, even  
on PPC.

- Buy an older Mac, like an Rev. C iMac. Unsupported because of  
lacking Firewire, but works with simple hacks just fine.

- Use Linux or some BSD to set up a cross compilation environment.
Gcc really shines here.

>  This being an OpenDarwin mailing list, I was mainly inquiring
>  whether discussion will continue here, or move elsewhere,

Mac OS Forge is the third incarnation of Apple's community effort.
Shutting down the earlier ones is not exactly the best way to make
friends.

Nevertheless, one brave soul runs GNU Darwin and it looks like a few
others joined: <http://www.gnu-darwin.org/> 

Additionally, those  Mac-OS-X-on-generic-PC hackers released their
kernel efforts to the public recently, as there's obviously no longer
a need to hide them: <http://semthex.freeflux.net/blog/?start=10> 
Those people have collected a lot of knowledge about how the lower
levels of Darwin work.


Markus

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