Good point. Many different database products should be considered app
builders. Writing "front-ends" or applications that access/store/work with a
primary data store outside of the application are extremely common.

My earliest HyperCard programs usually had card-based data storage, but as I
wrote more sophisticated apps the data moved to text files and then to SQL
databases. The move to SQL and ODBC was when I finally abandoned HyperCard
in favor of an HTML front-end with a web server backend; the backend might
be running on the local machine, but the "app" would still be comprised of
separate server and client parts. At the time, DHTML/DOM/JavaScript wasn't
available, but now quite a bit of the interactive elements of a standalone
client application or Java applet can be accomplished in the browser. I
think that is at least one good reason to consider the browser as the UI.

Anyway, I think PythonCard should be able to accomodate a variety of data
stores.

ka

>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: andy_todd@[...].. [mailto:andy_todd@[...]..]
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:23 PM
>  To: pythoncard@[...].com
>  Subject: [pythoncard] Re: relevant products to compare or draw ideas
>  from
> 
> 
>  Let me muddy the waters and also include a couple of products I've
>  worked with;
> 
>  Powerbuilder
>  http://www.sybase.com/products/internetappdevttools/powerbuilder
> 
>  Oracle Forms http://otn.oracle.com/products/forms/
> 
>  and maybe even Forte http://www.sun.com/forte
> 
>  Maybe not core to the discussion, but I do *most* of my work with
>  RDBMS
> 
>  Andy
> 
>  --- In pythoncard@[...]., "Kevin Altis" <altis@[...]..> wrote:
>  > HyperCard http://www.apple.com/hypercard/
>  > The original.
>  >
>  > SuperCard http://www.incwell.com/SuperCard/supercard.html
>  >
>  > ToolBook http://www.asymetrix.com/products/toolbook.html
>  >
>  > MetaCard http://www.metacard.com/
>  >
>  > Visual Basic http://msdn.microsoft.com/vbasic/Default.asp
>  >
>  > Delphi http://www.borland.com/delphi/
>  >
>  > Sash http://sash.alphaworks.ibm.com
>  > This might be a bit of a stretch, but there are some good ideas
>  here.
>  >
>  > Squeak http://www.squeak.org
>  > Again, a bit of a stretch, but probably some relevant ideas.
>  >
>  > REALbasic http://www.realbasic.com/
>  >
>  > Authorware http://www.macromedia.com/software/authorware/
>  >
>  > Do Director Shockwave and Flash qualify?
>  >
>  > It has been a while since I worked on Unix, so if there are relevant
>  > Unix/Linux products, please reply to this message with your
>  additions.
>  >
>  > Note that I have not included products designed for backend web
>  > applications. I'm assuming the focus is on client-side or standalone
>  > applications.
>  >
>  > ka
> 
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