tx a lot 4 the feedback. sounds good

On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:44:57 +0900, Mike Shock wrote:

>  Hi!
>  As a developer who wrote programs in C++ & Java & Ruby and as a man who 
>  trained young programmers,
>  I surely recommend Ruby for a newbie :-)
>  
>  If you're a beginner it's certainly better to have the fastest startup 
>  with some OO language - and Ruby here is the best choice:
>  it's easy to learn and it suggests the 'proper' way of OO thinking.
>  It's more important first to get more experience in  OO design and 
>  programming, leaving for the future your thoughts of possible app's low 
>  speed...
>  After a while you may want to learn Java or / and C++ ('cause a 
>  programmer have to know more than 1 language) 
>  and with happy Ruby experience it'll be much easier.
>  
>  The questions of speed and efficiency of financial / economical 
>  applications should be treated from the point of view
>  of the architecture & framework, not merely the programming language - 
>  considering all the DBMS, client-server and Web-interface stuff.
>  Ruby on Rails offers a fine solution for database-centric applications.
>  
>  Mike Shock
>  (Mikhail Shokhirev)
>  
>  n/a wrote:
> > hi, newbie so please be tolerant.... ;)
> >
> > i need to start to learn a programming language to be able to develop
> > custom aps to be applied to a variety of purposes but mainly 1) financial
> > data modeling--including graphics and data handling via database queries,
> > etc.; and 2) more general business-type aps.
> >
> > my feeling is that i hate BLOATED sluggish programs (like some Java
> > program running on older JVM's and perhaps not written in an optimal
> > way....u get the idea.)
> >
> > if i need to make a choice between fancy and efficient,
> > speed, etc., then it's an easy choice 4 me of efficient.
> > which is why i have just started w/ c++.
> >
> >   
> > however, speaking to one my programmer friends who is a top level Java
> > programmer (the stuff he writes is very efficient and fancy as
> > well--great balance), he is telling me that 1) c++ is being phased out
> > (except 4 real low level stuff like drivers, etc.) in favor of languages
> > such as Java or Ruby. he recommends i switch from learning c++ to learning
> > Java or Ruby. i wd hope to be able to choose the best path and not have to
> > switch tack in the middle as my IT capablity is not a full time activity,
> > but more of a support 4 my main one--finance.
> >
> > of course, learning curve is to be taken into consideration as well....
> >
> > 'd love some comments that might help me consider my options and pick a
> > path (c++, java or ruby) w/ a higher level of confidence..... i know that
> > people here will be biased towards Ruby, but that is fine: i want to hear
> > about it....
> >
> >