This whole discussion smells like the Betamax vs VHS arguments, or 
Tastes Great, Less Fattening kind of discussion.  Meanwhile, the rest of 
the world has moved on to Blu-Ray...  It's all about the content guys 
(and gals), not the delivery mechanism.  High-Def content needs OO of 
some form.

My $0.02,
-Brian

Tom Krehbiel wrote:
>  Zoran,
> 
>  I am a by stander, but I couldn't keep quite.
> 
>    
> > I do not think that TIP 257, as-is now, should be voted for inclusion in
> > mainstream Tcl codebase, as neither the code nor the interface stability
> > is sufficient enough for professional-grade applications.
> >
> > It could exist as an extension to Tcl for people that find it useful.
> > Technically, a separate branch outside the main Tcl distribution tree
> > should be sufficient for that purpose, IMO.
> >     
> 
>  It already is an extension I believe.
> 
>    
> > One should use the knowledge gathered by its develoment (AND by the 10+
> > years of XOTcl development) to create (better) hooks in core Tcl for
> > other (OO) extensions to have better interfacing capabilities,
> > as in the spirit of the Tcl language.
> >     
> 
>  You mentioning things like "knowledge" and "10+ years of XOTcl development". 
>  These are great in theory but as a practical matter they are meaning less if 
>  they aren't shared and in the context of open software "shared" does not mean 
>  making the code is available. The problem with XOTcl is that (for what ever 
>  reason) there hasn't been an interested party that is actively working on 
>  sharing the code and getting it into the core.
> 
>  If you or someone else in the XOTcl community is willing to say "Wait, we are 
>  working on an implementation of TIP#279 and it will be ready in 6 months." or 
>  something similar, then I say "Let's wait.". But if all you are saying is 
>  "TIP#257 isn't ready.", then that seems to provide no positive out come and I 
>  say "Call the vote.".
> 
>  It is my understanding that putting TclOO in the core will not effect any 
>  existing code, including XOTcl, so on the surface the XOTcl community should 
>  have any problem with putting TclOO in the core.
> 
>  There has been a long standing demand by the Tcl user community for OO 
>  capability in the tcl core and I am extremely grateful for those who are willing 
>  to put in the time an effort to make this happen. I am also aware that 
>  everything is a compromise, including language development, but progress should 
>  not be halted for lack of compromise.
> 
>  Tom K.
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