>  Mark Roseman wrote:
> > As another uninvolved voice from the sidelines ... please, enough
> > talk, more action.  Even if this discussion had something new to say
> > (which it doesn't) instead of rehashing the same themes yet again,
> > this pattern of being incapable of moving Tcl forward unless everyone
> > is satisfied and nobody would be offended continues to drag Tcl and
> > everyone around it down.
> 
>  Hear, Hear!
> 
> 
> 
>  TIP 257 isn't perfect, but I do not see another feasible
>  path forward.  There isn't another proposal on the table that
>  can be ready in the next release cycle.  And we've already
>  tried the approach of "wait until the next release, and
>  we'll have a better proposal for you" several times.  It
>  has gone nowhere.  I say, let's accept it and move on.
> 
>  Writing this message has been intensely painful for me,
>  because I know that several community members whose
>  opinions I respect will feel ignored, cheated, betrayed.
>  And some are likely to wave this message  about for the
>  next decade as an example of how little the TCT cares
>  about the users.  I offer them my sincere apologies.
> 

I have followed this debate and its predecessors from the
sideline. (I have some strong feelings vis-a-vis object-oriented
programming, not as a programming paradigm perse but as
the panacaea some people like to promote it as).

Most of the time I had no way of comparing the arguments
pro or con some form of OO with experience I have myself
or knowledge I have gathered over the years from reading
about it. I am an utter layman in this respect.

I think I understand it is important to have an OO framework
or facility or whatever you want to call it in the core.
I also understand having TclOO in the core does not prevent
any of the other popular OO extensions to work.

In short: please go ahead with the work - we have seen
enough arguments now!

Regards,

Arjen, who knows zilch about filters and mixins and class
destruction and what not, so is perhaps not the most
suitable person to step in and join Mark and Kevin in
the chorus but still does!


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