On 18 Jun 2007, at 19:15, Tim Jones wrote:

>  Objectionable C - that's why.  We old-timers know C and C++, and
>  Carbon works with C and C++.  To make the move to Cocoa, we need to
>  move our knowledge base to Objective C.  While that may be a simple
>  thing for new programmers, for us old dogs, it would be a dramatic
>  new trick.  Additionally, it means developing an entire new code base
>  for existing applications.

I know C and C++ myself. Knew them before ObjC and I have to say I  
prefer the latter. Don't be scared of it. ObjC is surprisingly easy  
to learn. The learning curve is nowhere near as steap as with C++. I  
was doing stuff with it in under a day. Actually, with the [] syntax  
it feels a bit like Tcl :-)

Besides, you can mix C and ObjC easily (that's really the point) and  
I believe C++ fits into the picture as well, although I've never done  
it.

> > I can understand the move from Apple's point of view perfectly.
> > In fact, it has been a public secret for years that Carbon will be
> > deprecated at some point and that developers should use Cocoa. It's a
> > lot of work to maintain to APIs and does not make much sense for
> > Apple.
> 
>  But, they set the precedence...

Carbon was always the API to make the transition from OS9 easier. It  
has always been obvious that Cocoa is the preferred thing.

>  They feel more refined because the developers didn't take the time to
>  make things correctly in the Carbon version.  There are a lot of
>  Carbon-based apps out there that have a feel and workflow as refined
>  as any Carbon app.

Sure, but you also hit on the point. They didn't take the time with  
Carbon. The consensus seems to be that it is easier to get a  
compliant application with Cocoa.

            /  http://www.fishpool.com/~setok/


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