On Jul 9, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Daniel A. Steffen wrote:

>  FWIW on my 10.4.10 intel box, the system TclAE binary is universal,
>  maybe the user in question has run thinning software? (probably to
>  "optimize" his system by getting rid of all that useless ppc code...)

That's my suspicion, too.

>  There really isn't very much you need to know to use it, it's just
>  standard configure & make & make install.
>  Building universal is purposefully exactly the same as for the tcl/tk
>  core, as documented e.g. in the tcl/macosx/README, c.f. below.

Right, but...

>  TclAE is the only extension that was ever built as a bundle I think,

Ahah.


>  Now that none of these issues are relevant any longer, I don't think
>  the bundle format makes any sense for tcl extensions going forward,
>  it unnecessary complicates the extension building process, and even
>  for OSX-only extensions like TclAE, it makes building them
>  unnecessarily different from the standard TEA process.

Fine by me.


>  The only reason Apple ships TclAE as a bundle is that I did not have
>  time to move it to a TEA buildsystem before I had to complete the
>  TclBI submission for Tiger...

And have you learned your lesson and stopped frittering your life  
away on that dissertation?

> 
> > As far as I can tell, TEA doesn't provide any help for generating
> > either, is that correct?
> 
>  No, TEA in fact does everything needed, I think you're just missing
>  the last step in the process: it is 'make install' that packages
>  everything up in the right arrangement at the install location

I did 'make install' and it scattered things all over hell and gone.  
Not very useful for a binary distro...

>  (or an
>  alternate location if a DESTDIR arg is passed to make).

OK. I don't know about that.



>  The following steps will build & install universal TclAE from the
>  repository (if universal tcl is installed):
>  	$ svn co http://tclae.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tclae/trunk tclae
>  	$ mkdir -p build; cd build
>  	$ export CFLAGS='-Wno-deprecated-declarations -mmacosx-version-
>  min=10.2 -arch ppc -arch i386'
>  	$ ../tclae/configure --libdir=/Library/Tcl
>  	$ make -j 2
>  	$ sudo make install
>  or to install in an alternate directory, e.g. for packaging a
>  distribution
>  	$ make install DESTDIR=`pwd`/../install/

OK, I'll try this tonight. Thanks. Is this, like, you know, written  
down anywhere, or anything?


>  and to run the testsuite (no failures on i386 or ppc for me)
>  	$ make test

Good. I don't get any failures, either.


>  I have just committed an update to svn that fixes running the
>  testsuite from outside the source dir (as above), handles 64-bit arch
>  flags in CFLAGS and updates to the latest TEA files from CVS.

Ah, good. That was going to be my next question, as I had to remove  
the two 64-bit -arch flags before I could build.

>  It would probably be good to release this as 2.0.2 (or 2.0.3 ?) in
>  source and universal binary form?

I think it's still 2.0.2, but yes, I agree. Any idea if there's still  
any prospect of getting this into Leopard? What Apple presently ships  
is totally unusable on Intel machines.


>  or package
>  things up manually if you prefer:

I have absolutely no desire to package things up manually. It just  
looked to me like I had to.

>  FYI, running the tclAE testsuite with this binary against tcl HEAD
>  errors out immediately with 'alloc: invalid block: 0x4140f0: 0 0',
>  haven't looked into the cause for that (the same happens with a tclAE
>  binary built against tcl HEAD FWIW).

Hmmm... that's not good. I don't suppose that you're relishing the  
prospect of debugging this, by any chance? I would need to (fail to)  
check out HEAD and then (fail to) build it before I could even start  
to (fail to) debug the problem.

>  given Kevin's reply, I think this is a completely separate issue,

I agree. I had originally included that because I was getting  
symptoms very much more like what Kevin was seeing (for the record,  
my original message contained significantly more profanity), but by  
the time I posted, that was a red herring. Should have clipped it.


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