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Re: [xml-dev] SOAP and the Web
by Francis Norton other posts by this author
May 2 2002 10:23AM messages near this date
Re: [xml-dev] SOAP and the Web | Re: [xml-dev] SOAP and the Web
Paul Prescod wrote:

> You won't make much progress if you think of it as message "requests"
> and "responses". Think of it as resources with representations and
> addresses. Can the representations be XML? Yes. Can you send AND receive
> representations? Yes. Can addresses be XML? No, not easily. But if you
> think of them as addresses, then it becomes less interesting to pack
> information into them as if they were messages. Pop up a level and
> figure out what you are trying to do, what you want to be addressable
> and what you want to be the representation.
> 
I know I have a bit of a blind-spot here. What is the canonical example 
of a "resource" v. a "representation"? Say I wanted to look up trains 
from London to North Berwick - is the URL of the query a representation 
of the timetable resource? That seems simple enough, but what is the 
representation that I send - one representation of the train route from 
London to North Berwick, or a combination of representations for the 
locations of London and North Berwick?

I like the way that W3C specs come with "this version" and "latest 
version" links at the top, and I find it frustrasting that I can't refer 
to resources in Visual SourceSafe in the same way, so I think I'm making 
progress...

> >For those of us who get excited about sending and receiving schema-valid
> >XML messages this is a bit frustrating.
> >
> 
> The good news is that manipulating representations of resources is *even
> more exciting* than sending schema-valid XML messages.
> 
But are they mutually exclusive? And if so, technically or cognitively?

> >...
> >having schema-valid GET parameters could make the web even more open -
> >if my train timetable query uses a schema which enumerates all valid
> >stations for the toStation and fromStation attributes, then a smart
> >browser, maybe using an XForms plugin, would help me build my query, but
> >I would still be able to embed or link to the resulting GET.
> >
> 
> XForms *does* have GET support.
> 
Can XForms understand GET or POST Web Services described in WSDL? I 
imagine WSDL is a bit short on form layout details, but does XForms have 
helpful deaults?

Francis.


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